How Resilience Ruined WoW PVP
on June 22, 2008 at 4:36 pmIf you play World of Warcraft (WoW), you may be aware that since the first expansion, The Burning Crusade, PVP has never been the same. A large number of factors have played into my feeling this way, but there is one key issue: resilience.
A bit of history
PVP used to be one of the most fun aspects of WoW. Playing on a PVP server was simply the only option when I began playing with friends. The idea that you could be out in the world and run the risk of throwing down with “Alliance scum” at any point was awesome. I partook in this part of the game almost all of the time. From leveling, to farming, to just traveling. If there was Alliance that I thought I could throw down with, I was going for it.
World PVP was something I was a bit late on because they had recently added in the first battlegrounds(Warsong Gultch and Alterac Valley). So, I was not involved in world PVP at the heart of it and in fact missed the ball on the best time for it. However, I still greatly enjoyed the times that good world conflicts seemed to break out.
Whether me and a few bros were laying waste to the alliance town in Hillsbrad or taking control of the boat that runs between Theramore Isle and Menathil Harbor, it was always a good time.
The first collapse
The first major blow to PVP came with the addition of battlegrounds and the honor system. PVP became less of a part of the game that took place randomly and more of a competition. All of a sudden world PVP only existed when there was people leveling or when small skirmishes broke out. No longer were raids gathering together with the sole purpose of taking over a town or take over a zone.
Once you hit 70 and, essentially left the world(as in, you were either in town or in a dungeon), you missed out on PVP unless you were in a battleground. At first, battlegrounds were neat because you got a little game of capture the flag or whatever going. However, because you needed to do it to gain rank, it became overly repetitious and boring.
The final blow
Blizzard had a chance to make PVP somewhat more entertaining, though. They came close as well. They removed the stiff ladder system in favor of a points based system that were collected when you kill people. They gave everyone reasonable access to higher end PVP gear or mounts or whatever you wanted from it.
Then they made the worst move of all time: they created the stat, resilience. Resilience does a few things for you:
- Reduces periodic damage and chance to be critically hit by X%
- Reduces the effect of mana-drains and the damage of critical strikes by X%
which might seem great for PVP, but this in fact hurt the game rather than helping it. This stat means that everyone is stacked up on damage reduction and the damage improvement gear does not scale nearly as fast. Essentially, everyone involved with PVP is stacking as much resilience as possible.
This means a few things:
- Everyone needs to have at least two sets of gear. Druids may have to carry upwards of FOUR sets of gear… possibly more.
- Respecs solely for PVP are required so that you can maximize your survivability.
- Stat stacking was changed from stacking damage or attack power to stacking resilience.
All of these things has made PVP feel even more like a separated part of the game as opposed to an integrated part like it once was. Once upon a time, top-end PVE gear meant that you were a PVP champ. You were feared because your guild did high-end content and you were stacked in gear. Now, these two things are completely unrelated. People in minimal PVP resilience gear can beat guys in T6 PVE gear.
All commercialed out
Blizzard is trying to steer PVP down the path of the e-sport. It is a pretty poor plan because WoW is not designed to be an e-sport and it can never be that way. Once you get to the Season 6 or 7 level of gear, many will be so far behind that trying to catch up will be a long and painful process. If you were not involved from day one, you missed out.
The dynamics of the specs and classes means that there is simply too much play to allow for balanced matches. This, combined with the inability to play specific teams, means that PVP is doomed to become progressively segregated from PVE aspects of the game. And, as someone who once loved PVP, this is deeply saddening.
Jon’s Comments:
I cite this as a major reason for why I no longer have a subscription. The major drive for me to pve was to get better pvp gear. It was a great synergy that kept both aspects of the game relatively fresh, even in the days of grinding MC over and over and over.
Separating these aspects has resulted in requiring a grind merely to let you grind a little more. Better pve gear to do more pve, to get better gear to do more pve. Same deal with pvp, by the time you get the gear to be competitive you are bored to tears as you have been doing the same thing for the past 2 months straight.
When I heard about arenas I was pumped. This had great potential but the addition of resilience was enough to make it just another grindfest for gear.
Will I re-up for the next XP? I don’t know, I want to now but I just can’t bring myself to. It’s just not the game I used to play. I miss tearing up boats and bg’s with my raid buddies. I miss being able to tank 31/5/15 and still tear it up later. But most of all I miss pvp for the sake of pvp. With nothing to gain and no carrot in front of my nose. Just pvp for the fun of all parties involved. Hell, I’ll even drop a /salute after I kill you if you put up a good fight. And no, I’m not going to camp you either, so feel free to res up quick, it’s just a game after all.










August 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
You sound like a whiney little bitch.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
You sound like a very intelligent guy. Please grace us with your wisdom more regularly.
May 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Nigga, you are one stupid motha fucka. You need to get your honky fuckin ass off my game and take your bitchin somewheres else bitch ass nigga. Damn if I was you Id just kill mysef or make me someone’s BITCH fuckin dumbazz
July 16th, 2009 at 4:42 am
LOL the responses to this are simply high-larious.
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:56 am
I agree entirely. I miss the old days. I miss the honor ranking system and I miss when Resilience never existed. I never expected it to ruin WoW but it did. Hardcore.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
hehe 4 responces before someone said something constructive. I agree too, ressilience took a piss on pvp as we new it from good old Mc days. tops itself with the developer trying to balance pvp and pve still even tho they clearly want to keep the 2 gamemodes apart. Like US politics
October 16th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I have been playing for a lil less then 2 years. In that time I have mainly run BG’s. In fact, PvP is the only interesting aspect of WoW for me. I to started on a PvP server. B4 WOLK, getting camped by 60+’s as a 20 was not a great aspect, but I delt with it, for a while. Just b4 WOLK hit, 70′s, knowing that there was much better content instore, stoped raiding and commenced unceasing camp fests on anyone they could find. Prompting me to leave the server for medive. By this time, I had several toons that were pretty well geared at lower levels, and I took to twinking. With the idea of twinking, one could set themselvs apart through a focused effort by attaining gear that simply was to “HARD” for the common person bent on getting to 80 to bother with. Blizz then kills the twinks. Essentially. All content lower than 70 is completly pointless. Nobody bothers running the lower end raids or world bosses, cause though the content is as difficult as ever, the rewards are simply worhtless when you can get quest greens within five levels that kill your pretty epics. Competition in the BG’s is absolutly horrible, due to the massive influx of people whos only interest in PvP is the break it offers from questing and leveling. + the advantage of gaining xp at the same time. Consiquently, the “team” aspect is gone, JUST GONE. Its every man for himself with no coordination or communication. Accept for the infintile commments from peopel who have the brass to call everyone noobs in one breath, then ask what they are supposed to be doing the BG they just joined. Yes, its that bad. Everyone has the shittiest gear you can imagin, because there is no point in working or ginding for better gear you will out grow by tomorrow. The only thing that kept me going was the hope that getting a toon to eighty would allow me to be competitive again. However, I was dismayed to discover that getting purps at 80 can be accomplished by stubbing your toe. And this is the real truth. Not only does EVERY SINGLE 80 have the same epic gear, it is madatory for you also to have the gear to be little more than average. True, ther are still epics that are much harder to attain then the new welfare epics everyone is wearing. And the best part of it all is, it all comes right back to the same ass thing that Blizz was ultimatly trying to kill. There will always be a majority of people with average gear, Yes, epics at level 80 are the new greens. And a small minority of people with the “NEW” real epics that set them well ahead of the people they intend to slaughter. Only in order to for this to play out, everyone now must get to 80, and all of the content that came b4 it is just a mud bog and slog fest for new players to race through on thier way to mediocrity at level 80. Im sorry, but for me, WoW has lost its appeal. I know there are butt loads of people that I will call the zombie masses that still think wow is the shit. The only thing I can say about that is the huge influx of the newest WoW players have never experienced what wow once was. And I am disappointed knowing that I myself have missed probably the best time to be playing. Pre BC.
November 12th, 2009 at 1:44 am
I agree with Pallondo. I just enjoy leveling within the old world to 60.
The fact that I can get lost exploring,and leveling. Taking different routes or the same, keeps me still here with WoW. I dont know what the future holds with me playing but i do not play my 80 anymore. looking for a new Wow to play any ideas?
January 7th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
I can only mourn the days before resilience and the arenas.
In those days I had fun in pvp, TONS OF FUN.
i had 100k VH+ before BC. stopped pvp after resilience+arenas.
May 30th, 2010 at 9:25 am
man i couldnt agree more. i was reading up on this because i like to pvp but wasnt sure what resilience really was and wanted to make sure. WoW i still so fun but they did fuck shit up. not to mention its annoying having everyone go after the same tier sets in the same raids. everything is so repetitive. it is sad. everyone is so hyped up on this new gear score system too. i never played pre BC but i can appreciate waht it once was because i hate the new shit as much as all the old schoolers. RIP = (